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Revelation 14 – Who do you think are the 144,000 who return with Jesus?
Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand
Do you think that these are those who make up the TRUE Church?
Think about it. 1000′s of different religions all claiming to follow God. Even among “proclaiming Christianity” there are 1000′s of different interpretations of God’s Truth – The Bible.
Yet God himself says those who worship him can only do so in Spirit and Truth.
Are the 144,000 the only ones who God ever revealed his truth to?
For those who think they are just Jews – please understand that the Jews are from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin along with the Levites. The other 10 tribes are from the kingdom of Israel and never returned from captivity and are still considered the “lost 10 tribes of Israel’.
The 144k are those that belong to the tribe of isreal and to whom god has chosen out of the house of jacoband his 12 kids!
What does Revelation 9; 3 and 4 mean to you. How does your interpretation of it compare to mine?
Revelation, 9; 3 and 4.
3. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth; and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their forehead.
My take on 3, through the spirit. World Governments, and all the false prophets of this world and their religions represent the locusts, given the power on earth to be it’s rulers of mankind until the Day of the Lord comes.
My take on 4 through the spirit. These are the Sons and Daughters who are being taught through the spirit of the Father and who has the Christ within them, outside of men’s religion, who represent the grass and trees of God in these times ahead. They are the ones sealed by God himself and who shall become the new Jerusalem upon the day of the Lord which is coming soon to a city near you. They shall be protected by the hand of God himself and his people are at war with no one for they shall not be harmed by the minions of Satan who are rearing their heads in these days coming upon this evil world we live in. Yet the worldly knows them not for they are blinded by the teachings of man who sees not Gods truth but follows blindly the truths of men.
Remember these statements from Jesus; The meek shall inherit the earth. What is first shall be last and what is last shall be first.
God has already marked and sealed his one hundred and forty-four thousand and the world believes this not for they believe men shall choose not God. These shall be the kings and queens for they are meek and mellow and are at war with no one. They are those the world does not acknowledge nor see. They are a peculiar people.
Would like open-minded opinions/answers only please.
Those comments are really intersting and certainly seem to square with what’s said in chapter 7 verses 1 to 8 about the sealing on the forehead of the 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. In chapter 7 the four angels holding back the four winds of the earth are commanded not to harm the land, the sea or the trees until the 144,000 have been sealed. In chapter 9 we are told that the green vegetation is not to be harmed; only those who don’t have the seal of od on their foreheads.
Are you saying that the 144,000 must be Jewish people (by ancestry) who also acclaim Jesus Christ (as stated in chapter 14 verses 3-5)? And are you also saying that the 144,000 will stay on the earth? Certainly, in chapter 7 they are on the earth, but by chapter 14 they are in heaven (unless you interpret Mount Zion as being literally on earth – but vs 1 says the Lamb is standing on that Mount Zion with the 144,000)?
I’m not proposing any interpretation myself, I’m just keen to glean ideas from others, to consider. Thanks for raising this question.
the dangers of interpreting the Bible too literally?
St. Augustine warns about taking the Bible too literally, he took the view that the Biblical text should not be interpreted as properly literal, but rather as metaphorical, if it contradicts what we know from science and our God-given reason, particularly when the Scripture in question is a book of poetry and songs, not a book of instructions or history; while each passage of Scripture has a literal sense, this “literal sense” does not always mean that the Scriptures are mere history; at times they are rather an extended metaphor; the writers of the Scripture wrote from the perspective of the terrestrial world…
An example of taking the Bible too literally is the Flat-earthers and the Flat Earth Society…
“If the Bible said it’s flat, then it must be flat…” is an answer I got from a Flat-earther, but I personally think Flat-earthers misinterpreted and took the Bible too literally…
Samuel Rowbotham supported the notion of a flat Earth, based on literal interpretation of certain biblical passages. After Rowbotham’s death in 1884, his followers established the Universal Zetetic Society. In 1956, Samuel Shenton took over the Universal Zetetic Society, which would later become the Flat Earth Society. The Flat Earth Society took the position that the Apollo Moon landings were a hoax, because the photos of Earth taken from Apollo 8 was spherical and not flat. The Flat Earth Society still exists today under president Daniel Shenton…
These are Bible references that the Flat Earth Society think supports the notion of a flat Earth, because if taken literally, according to Flat-earthers, the Bible says the Earth is a flat circle, the Earth has ends, edges and four corners, the Bible tells about a tree so high that it was visible from the ends of the Earth, the Earth is set on pillars and cannot move, I personally think Flat-earthers misinterpreted and took the Bible too literally, what do you think?
Isaiah 40:22: He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth…
Isaiah 11:12: …the four quarters of the earth.
Revelation 7:1: …I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth…
Job 38:13: …that it might take the earth by the edges…
Jeremiah 16:19: …the nations will come from the ends of the earth…
Daniel 4:11: The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth.
Psalm 93:1 and Psalm 96:10: …the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved…
Psalm 104:5: He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.
Job 9:6: He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble.
Job 38:4: “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
Job 37:3: He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.
Job 28:24: for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.
1 Samuel 2:8: For the foundations of the earth are the LORD’s; upon them he has set the world.
Flat Earth Society – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society
Flat Earth – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
The Flat-Earth Bible – http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm
Augustine of Hippo – Natural knowledge and biblical interpretation – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Augustine#Natural_knowledge_and_biblical_interpretation
That people actually BELIEVE that the earth is flat in spite of all the evidence to the contrary is beyond me! Are they saying that all of the satellite pictures from space are fake?
The rule of thumb I generally follow in interpreting Scripture is that, if a Scripture contains a certain degree of absurdity when taken literally that becomes clear when taken figuratively, I interpret it figuratively.
Want something to chew on? How about that Revelation merely mirrors Daniel, which mirrors Genesis (very long)?
This is a skeptics study that was inspried by the Skeptics Annotated Bible.
Here are all of my scriptures as reference:
Note that 99.9% of the scriptures in Daniel used are the portion of Daniel THAT HAS BEEN REWRITTEN in Aramaic. I theorize that this is a direct overwriting to mask or cover something up.
After studying this, it is my summation that you can see that someone indeed wanted information to be told. It’s just that it’s not in the way everyone else says it is.
* These fit if you substitute the word “dream” for “scroll”:
REV 5:2-3 “Who is worthy to open the scroll? And no one..”
DAN 2:10 “…there is not a man on earth…”
GEN 41:15- clause 1 “No one who can interpret it…”
GEN 41:15- clause 2 “You can interpret it…”
REV 5:5 “…he can open the scroll…”
DAN 2:25 “…a man who can make known to the king the interpretation…”
* I theorize that the many angels are speaking of Daniel when referring to the Lamb and Nebuchadnezzar when referring to the one sitting on the throne. (Revelation)
REV 4:9 “…glory and honor and thanks…”
REV 4:11 “…glory and honor and power…”
REV 5:13 “…blessing and honor and glory and might…”
DAN 2:37 “..the kingdom, the power, and the might, and the glory…”
REV 5:12 “…power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing…”
* Daniel 2:38 was included to point out in Daniel that, to complete comparison between the two books, one particular type of creature listed was included with the other, leading to three “types” (the beasts of the field for a lion and an ox). There are several verses between Daniel and Revelation that deal with the 4/3 number combination (i.e., several verses that include “3″ then some that include “4″).
REV 4:6-7 “…like a lion… like an ox… with the face of a man… like a flying eagle…”
DAN 2:38 “…sons of men… beasts of the field… birds of the air…”
DAN 4:32-33 “…like an ox… hair grew as long as eagles’ feathers… like birds’ claws…”
* Daniel 4:32 is is Daniel speaking to Nebuchadnezzar. In branching off from several theories, if (1) Daniel [solely or combined with six others totaling seven] represented the Lamb, (2) Nebuchadnezzar represented the earth, and (3) 4:32 dealt with the seven seals, it seems as if Daniel is the one who gets to carry out the judgment that he mentioned of Nebuchadnezzar in translating his dream.
DAN 4:32 “…seven times shall pass over you…”
REV 6:1 “…when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals…”
REV 8:1-2 “…seventh seal… seven angels… seven trumpets…”
* Major emphasis is placed on the seventh scroll. Revelation 8 and 9 describe the opening of the 7th scroll. One could theorize that “the seventh chapter” was an alliteration of the 30 minute silence from opening “the seventh scroll” since it says nothing of the seventh scroll; however, this would have to confirm a backward correlation as of yet unstudied. The seventh scroll effects carry over to chapter 11 with the final two of three woes.
REV 7:1 “…holding back the four winds…that no wind might blow…”
DAN 2:35 “…and the wind carried them away…”
*More emphasis on the silence prior to the seventh seal. If you ask me, it’s a lot like the eye of a rather destructive hurricane.
REV 9:21 “…nor did they repent of their…SORCERIES…”
DAN 2:2 “… magicians… enchanters… SORCERERS… Chaldeans…”
DAN 2:10 “…not a man on earth… any magician… enchanter… Chaldean…”
DAN 2:27 “…’No wise men, enchanters, magicians, or astrologers…”
* In Daniel 2:10 we see that sorcerers were left out of the Chaldeans speech compared to 2:2, and in Revelation it mentions that the people who did not repent were those who performed sorceries. Because 2:2 is not “within” the Aramaic language portion of Daniel, the mentioning of sorcerers was obviously written in Hebrew. Therefore, the mentioning of people performing sorceries in Revelation, to me personally it means that of the four types of people who were to interpret Nebuchadnezzar’s dream, it was the sorcerers who were intentionally left out by the Aramaic writers. This is possibly to alliterate Revelation 9:21. The mentioning of sorcerers in Daniel is relatively close to the start of the Aramaic beginning, halfway through Daniel 2:4. Verse 2:10 could imply that the sorcerers could, in fact, have been able to reveal and interpret the dream. The Aramaic portion could have intentionally left them out to make a point of other reference or to single them out as they might be of importance somewhere else in Aramaic. For this, performing an internet search or bible program search through all Aramaic language translations using the word “sorcerer” should provide possible reference points. Either all this, or the Aramaic rewrite merely uses another name for sorcerers at some other point.
REV 9:20 “..g
REV 9:20 “..gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood…”
DAN 5:4 “..gold and silver, bronze, iron, wood, and stone…”
REV 4:9 “…who is seated on the throne, who lives for ever and ever…”
DAN 2:4 “…O king, live for ever…”
DAN 5:10 “…O king, live for ever…”
DAN 6:21 “…O king, live for ever…”
* Daniel 2:4b is the start of the Aramaic rewrite to Daniel. Unless Nebuchadnezzar is god in Revelation, something is definitely being communicated.
REV 5:7 “…and HE went…took the scroll from…him who was seated on the throne…”
DAN 2:27-28 “…’No wise men…can show the king the mystery…”
DAN 2:36 “…This was the dream; now WE will tell the king its interpretation…”
* HE refers to Daniel (my theory) and WE supposedly refers to the four groups of people under Nebuchadnezzar in charge of interpreting dreams because is not clearly written in the bible; it just says that.
REV 5:8 “…when [the Lamb took] the scroll, the four living creatures…fell down before the Lamb…”
DAN 5:11 “…and king Nebuchadnezzar…made [Daniel] chief of the magicians, enchanters, Chaldeans, and astrologers…”
* Here, the theory is that the Lamb is actually Daniel.
REV 5:3 “…in HEAVEN or on EARTH or UNDER THE EARTH…”
DAN 2:10 “…”…There is not a man ON EARTH…”
DAN 2:28 “”…there is a God IN HEAVEN…”
JER 10:11 “..gods WHO DID NOT MAKE THE HEAVENS and the EARTH shall perish from THE EARTH and from under THE HEAVENS…”
* Jeremiah was included because this was the only Aramaic scripture in Jeremiah. Why aren’t christian pastors today bringing this up? Maybe because it will destroy the book of Revelation? The usage of the word “heaven” means space beyond the atmosphere put as distinctly as people who have never traveled upward can describe it. Also, why is there a scripture like “gods who did not make the earth”? Could “god” actually be an alien? HMMMM…
DAN 6:3-4 “…because an excellent spirit was in him; and the king planned to set him over the whole kingdom. Then the presidents and the satraps sought to find a ground for complaint against Daniel…no error or fault was found in him…”
GEN 37:4, “…But when his brothers saw that their father loved [Joseph] more than all his brothers, they hated him…they conspired against him to kill him…”
GEN 41:41 “…And Pharaoh said to Joseph, “Behold, I have set you over all the land of Egypt…”
This is slightly more than half of all of the scriptures used to put Revelation in its place. For the entire manuscript, email me and I will get to you as soon as I can.
Proof is not something for which someone can agree or disagree, but rather reflect upon.
My point? I saw it, no one else is saying anything about it, much less any money-making pastor. Indeed, there is some information in the bible that up-and-coming pastors must put aside (they call it taking it by fatih) so that they can make their money.
“God says none of what you have said is correct.”
If I never made mention the word “skeptic” and instead said “UNBELIEVABLE AND OVERWHELMING PROOF THAT REVELATION IS TRUE AND GOOD FOR MANKIND!” Would you have said the same thing?
V e r y i n t e r e s t i n g … But stupid!
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